COMOPOLO

So we entered into this discussion midgame yesterday. It was a worthy topic. (Also, I don't think we have any threads under the Rulez...until now.)

The origin of the discussion was when Charlie and I were driving down the court in a two-on-one situation. Aaron was the defender. I passed to Charlie on my right, he tapped the ball with the end of his mallet. Therefore, it would have counted if it had crossed the line. Aaron's mallet got a piece of the ball and it went in.

Our discussion became a matter of when an own goal counts. Can a player shuffle the ball toward a defender near the goal in hope that the ball crosses the line?

Welp, the NAH rules cover this pretty well. Check rule 7.3 here: http://www.nahardcourt.com/2011-nah-rules/.

No, a player could not get an own goal by shuffling the ball off of the defender. Shots must originate as contact with the end of the mallet. Pretty clear.

However, I do find this language to be ambiguous: "The shuffle of the ball by the defending team into their own goal will be considered a goal if
the ball is mishandled in any way by the defending team so as to put the ball in their goal."

Hmmm. So if I shuffle the ball, a defender touches it and it bounces off of another defender into the goal, it's a goal?

Thoughts?

The rules are pretty clear when the offense approaches the goal head on, but what about from behind the net? Obviously, you can't just shuffle inbetween the goalie and goal. But if a pass/shuffle is made from behind the net and the ball travels around the outside of the goalie and he/she tries to grab the pass, fumbling it into the net, that's a goal to me.

I would consider Christian's last scenario as a goal.

This is why the game needs dedicated refs instead of the creation of more rules.

Last edited: Mon, 23 Jan 2012, 02:10pm by YIMYOM

I think the ambiguous language to which I referred applies to the scenario of the goalie fumbling the ball into the net. That qualifies as "mishandling" to me. So yeah, I agree with ya there, Tim.

Anybody else have some thoughts?

notsochristian wrote:

So we entered into this discussion midgame yesterday. It was a worthy topic. (Also, I don't think we have any threads under the Rulez...until now.)

The origin of the discussion was when Charlie and I were driving down the court in a two-on-one situation. Aaron was the defender. I passed to Charlie on my right, he tapped the ball with the end of his mallet. Therefore, it would have counted if it had crossed the line. Aaron's mallet got a piece of the ball and it went in.

Our discussion became a matter of when an own goal counts. Can a player shuffle the ball toward a defender near the goal in hope that the ball crosses the line?

Welp, the NAH rules cover this pretty well. Check rule 7.3 here: http://www.nahardcourt.com/2011-nah-rules/.

No, a player could not get an own goal by shuffling the ball off of the defender. Shots must originate as contact with the end of the mallet. Pretty clear.

However, I do find this language to be ambiguous: "The shuffle of the ball by the defending team into their own goal will be considered a goal if
the ball is mishandled in any way by the defending team so as to put the ball in their goal."

Hmmm. So if I shuffle the ball, a defender touches it and it bounces off of another defender into the goal, it's a goal?

Thoughts?

It depends on what the defenders' touches amounted to.

A) If you make an insanely hard shuffle and it bounces off of multiple defenders and ends up in the goal, no goal.

B) If you shuffle the ball and the defender(s) try to make a play on that ball and they screw it up and see the ball roll in their goal, I think that counts as a good goal.

Every situation is different though, and it depends on what the defender does/is doing/is trying to do for an own goal to be called.

Good point. It's hard to make rules for every situation.

It just requires goal judges and refs the know the rules and make the appropriate judgment calls.

Sadly, most goal judges are too busy drinking and chatting with their friends, and most refs are too far away from the action to be effective.

I thought what happened on Sunday was interesting and that is why I brought it up then. From my vantage point, it looked like Charlie shuffled it (this may not be the case, he probably shot it and I just didn't see it correctly but lets imagine he shuffled it).

So, after the shuffle that we are imagining, the ball hit the defender's mallet and then rolled into the goal. What I asked is: if a ball gets shuffled by an offensive player into a defender's mallet and then into the goal, does that count?

On sunday, it looked to me as if the defender, whoever it was I can't remember, wasn't even looking at the ball and it merely hit their mallet by chance. In my opinion this is not a goal but I'd agree that it's sort of hard to regulate.

For it to be an own-goal, in my opinion, the defender must add momentum to the ball in some way. The ball must be accelerated into the goal by the defender, not simply redirected off of a shuffle. But if it originates from a shot, it doesn't fuckin' matter it's a goal every time.

It doesn't fuckin' matter anyway, because it was just pick up, but it is interesting and it is a spot where the rules don't cover every circumstance I think.

NAH wrote:

If an offensive player shuffles the ball into the defending player guarding the goal. If the ball enters the goal is this manner, it will not count as an own goal;

If an offensive player shuffles the ball into the defending player's WHAT? BIKE? MALLET? BODY? DICK? The rules are just not written well. It doesn't seem that hard to be more precise.

Last edited: Mon, 23 Jan 2012, 11:07pm by BoozeKruse

Yeah, I think we're all on point here. That is to say, we've all agreed on when a defender causes an own goal.

You make a good point there, Kruse, that the defender should add momentum/acceleration to the ball, forcing it across the goal line.

I hope talking about rules/scenarios gives all of us a better understanding of them so we feel credible calling bullshit when it matters. It'll be nice to have refs, Ben (Simon or Schultz) back us up, too.

If anyone wants to have a NAH rule rewriting party, I'm all for it.

I'd be all for going back to three (3) rules.

1. Don't be a dick
2. To score it must go off the business end of the mallet.
3. Foot down = tap out.

'nuf said.

What good is an opinion if it isn't tied to a person? Who the fuck are you!?!?!?

Douglas Quaid wrote:

I'd be all for going back to three (3) rules.

1. Don't be a dick
2. To score it must go off the business end of the mallet.
3. Foot down = tap out.

'nuf said.

In reality, those were never the only rules.

Those were just the first rules we gave to new players before easing them into the long list of dos and dont's.